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		<title>Oracle v SAP</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Sep 2011 08:33:31 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Charlie Rothbart</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[Back in November 2010, Oracle succeeded in its copyright infringement lawsuit against SAP in Oakland, CA. The decision was not exactly significant, as SAP admitted liability for infringing Oracle&#8217;s copyrighted software with its TomorrowNow initiative, which had been shut down in 2008 as a result of the lawsuit. SAP&#8217;s TomorrowNow had a program which allowed [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><img class="aligncenter" title="oracle v sap" src="http://www.eweekeurope.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/library-extension/ellisonvsapotheker-185x105.jpg" alt="" width="185" height="105" />Back in November 2010, Oracle succeeded in its copyright infringement lawsuit against SAP in Oakland, CA. The decision was not exactly significant, as SAP admitted liability for infringing Oracle&#8217;s copyrighted software with its TomorrowNow initiative, which had been shut down in 2008 as a result of the lawsuit.</p>
<p>SAP&#8217;s TomorrowNow had a program which allowed for the automation of software downloads from Oracle&#8217;s customer-service websites, which, according to some of the evidence heard at trial, even once caused Oracle&#8217;s computer systems to crash.</p>
<p>The Californian jury awarded Oracle a whopping $1.3 billion in damages after an 11 day trial, which according to <a href="http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2010-11-23/sap-must-pay-oracle-1-3-billion-over-unit-s-downloads.html">Bloomberg</a> was not only the largest award ever given for copyright infringement <strong>and</strong> the largest given by any US jury in 2010, but also equal to the Q4 net income of SAP.</p>
<p>Excessive?</p>
<p>Many would say it was, and that most IP infringement awards generally are, and it would seem that U.S. District Judge Phyllis Hamilton has reached the same conclusion as those on the less-dramatic side of the damages line, saying that <em>“The verdict grossly exceeded the actual harm to Oracle&#8221;</em> and the award was<em> &#8220;contrary to the weight of the evidence, and was grossly excessive.”</em></p>
<p>I tend to agree with Judge  Hamilton. (And I will do my best to refrain from making any comments about the pragmatism of her decision being anything to do with the fact that she&#8217;s a &#8216;she&#8217;&#8230; although it may well deserve a small mention?)</p>
<p>The reason for Judge Hamilton&#8217;s decision to reduce the maximum figure SAP has to pay to $272 million makes a lot of sense. It was found that the previous award was not proportionate to the actual damage to Oracle, and that based on the evidence, Oracle was seeking damages for lost licensing royalties. In reality, though, would Oracle have ever granted SAP a licence had it asked for one, bearing in mind that SAP is one of its biggest competitors in business-management software?</p>
<p>I&#8217;ll leave that as a rhetorical question. It suffices to say that Oracle has never really been known for its philanthropic nature, but then again it would have to be a strategic decision to license core business to a competitor, so one could easily forgive Oracle in these circumstances for not doing so (in the theoretical world where SAP actually approached Oracle seeking a licence). But it follows naturally that SAP should not have to pay damages based on a hypothetical licence.</p>
<p>Oracle now has until the end of September to accept Judge Hamilton&#8217;s ruling. Whether this will this mark the beginning of a more pragmatic and realistic approach by the courts to infringement damages, only time will tell, but the significant reduction by Judge Hamilton from the original award of $1.3 billion to a maximum of $272 million is a good step in the right direction.</p>
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		<title>eBay and Skype-settled</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Nov 2009 10:31:09 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Andrew Watson</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[It is reported overnight on the newswires that the Joltid and eBay dispute has been settled with the two former Skype founders taking a stake in the new Skype vehicle in return for dropping their claims. It seems like a common sense end to the disputes and Skype v2.0 (or is it 3.0) will no [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is reported overnight on the newswires that the <a href="http://ip.law360.com/registrations/user_registration?article_id=132779&amp;concurrency_check=false">Joltid and eBay dispute </a>has been settled with the two former Skype founders taking a stake in the new Skype vehicle in return for dropping their claims. It seems like a common sense end to the disputes and Skype v2.0 (or is it 3.0) will no doubt benefit from their vision, passion and skills.</p>
<p>I wonder what a telco with 405m users would be worth? That is an awful lot of relationship capital to work with.</p>
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		<title>IP ownership issues not just for Skype and eBay</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Aug 2009 10:01:17 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Andrew Watson</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[The recent Skype / eBay story around ownership flags up all sorts of things in what we see in our line of work around IP strategy: IP ownership issues as a rule are always present, and can be very, very costly to fix (but very cheap to fix if caught early). A short Timeline 2001 [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><span class="drop_cap">T</span>he recent Skype / eBay story around ownership flags up all sorts of things in what we see in our line of work around IP strategy: <strong>IP ownership issues as a rule are always present, and can be very, very costly to fix (but very cheap to fix if caught early).</strong></p>
<h3>A short Timeline</h3>
<p><strong>2001</strong> &#8211; <a title="Kazaa" href="http://www.kazaa.com/">Kazaa</a>, a p2p filesharing technology, released (which went on to <a title="EFF MGM Grokster" href="http://w2.eff.org/IP/P2P/MGM_v_Grokster/">some IP legal problems of its own</a>).</p>
<p><strong>2002</strong> &#8211; Skype founded by Kazaa creators</p>
<p><strong>2003</strong> &#8211; initial release of Skype</p>
<p><strong>2005</strong> &#8211; eBay buys Skype in a $2.6bn deal (totaling 3.1bn through to today)</p>
<p><strong>2009</strong> &#8211; eBay announces that Skype will IPO and be valued at over $2bn. <a title="Joltid" href="http://joltid.com/">Joltid</a>, a company set up by Skype founders claims that eBay/Skype only has a license to a core technology used by Skype to work. eBay must pay money for a continuing license or face rewriting its core code while keeping its millions of users happy (no small task).</p>
<h3>The stakes</h3>
<p>Skype has 480 million registered users its revenues in the last quarter were $170m. eBay was thought to be able to use Skype to produce gains with its auction site on high end items, but any added benefits to the eBay site have not materialized.</p>
<p><a title="Guardian ebay skype joltid" href="http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/2009/aug/01/ebay-case-threatens-skype-shutdown">The Guardian</a> states that the Joltid/eBay dispute is driven by Niklas Zennström – one of Skype&#8217;s creators and owner of Joltid &#8211; as a negotiation strategy in an effort to buy the company back.</p>
<h3>The technology</h3>
<p>Skype&#8217;s founders and key developers know p2p.  They helped develop Kazaa before tackling VoIP with Skype and then went on to found <a href="http://www.joost.com/">Joost</a>. The core piece of code at stake between Skype and Joltid is a product called <a href="http://joltid.com/">Global Index</a>:</p>
<blockquote><p>Global Index™. Global Index is the world’s most technologically advanced, scalable and field-tested peer-to-peer technology. Global Index creates a self-organizing and self-healing distributed storage, transport and data object management system that does away with the costs of traditional datacenter solutions and enables a range of applications from communications to broadcasting and beyond.</p>
<p>The biggest implementation of Global Index to date has been Skype where Global Index enables peer-to-peer voice, video and chat communications.</p></blockquote>
<p>They are also <a href="http://joltid.com/">patent holders as well</a>:</p>
<blockquote><p>Joltid also holds a comprehensive portfolio of intellectual property including US patent 7,480,658, covering distributed database systems and co-ordinated decentralized peer-to-peer computing.</p></blockquote>
<p>I did a quick search of esp@cenet and the USPTO website (including assignments database) but only found <em>one</em> Joltid patent, which is the  	 7,480,658 patent mentioned above. It was granted in January of 2009, and if that&#8217;s the core of their litigation on the patent side of things, they should hope it&#8217;s a good one.</p>
<h3>The dispute</h3>
<p>Joltid claim that they only licensed their technology to Skype, and that the license has terminated.  This means that eBay paid billions for Skype without sorting out the licensing issues or having any sort of strategy around re-writing the core Skype code. The funny thing is that <a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20060327/0256249.shtml">this is not the first time</a> that there has been an ownership dispute over this same technology.</p>
<p>The end result is that eBay is stuck litigating in the English courts while it scrambles around for a solution to this ownership problem.  It is much like facing down a patent troll or a competitor when going to IPO.  The immediate parallel that comes to mind is <a href="http://www.wolfsonmicro.com/">Wolfson</a>.</p>
<p>Edinburgh based Wolfson Electronics was set to go for IPO in 2003 in the middle of a down market for tech stocks. The previous year it posted £20.2m in turnover, with £2.4m coming from the US and expected to float for £213 million. Only days before Wolfson prepared to go public with its CEO book-building across Europe, Wolfson&#8217;s competitor in the US, Cirrus Logic, files a patent infringement suit. The suit delays the IPO, but only slightly as a result of a quick response and a clear presentation of the IP risks by Wolfson. They achieve a high price despite a tough climate for tech stocks.</p>
<p>It seems to me that even if eBay found out they made a mistake after their initial purchase of Skype by not securing a formal license and ownership of the relevant IP, they should have at least been planning quite heavily for a dispute later on, particularly at IPO. Like Wolfson, they should have had an answer waiting.</p>
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		<title>LES Britain and Ireland Open Source event</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Sep 2008 09:13:58 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Andrew Watson</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[Our UK and Ireland branch of the Licensing Executives Society (LES) is having an event on open source on Wednesday 10th September 2008 at 5:30 PM (speakers starting at 6). From the event description (DOC file): Free and open source software has had a radical impact on how we – both individuals and businesses – [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><span class="drop_cap">O</span>ur UK and Ireland branch of the <a title="LES Britain and Ireland" href="http://www.les-bi.org/">Licensing Executives Society (LES)</a> is having an event on open source on Wednesday 10th September 2008 at 5:30 PM (speakers starting at 6). From the <a title="LES Open Source" href="http://www.les-bi.org/documents/HeadedInvitation10thSept2008.doc">event description</a> (DOC file):</p>
<blockquote><p>Free and open source software has had a radical impact on how we – both individuals and businesses – use and develop software. At this event, three speakers will discuss open source software from three different perspectives. We will hear an introduction to the subject from an IP and IT barrister (<em>ed note &#8211; David Harris mentioned below</em>). This introduction will be followed by commentaries by two speakers from very different places in the IT world: Mark Lange of <a title="Microsoft EMEA site" href="http://www.microsoft.com/emea/">Microsoft</a> and Gerry Gavigan of the<a title="OSC Home" href="http://www.opensourceconsortium.org/"> Open Source Consortium</a>.</p></blockquote>
<p>The event will also feature blogger, IP/IT barrister, and Open Rights Group board member <a title="BriefBlog" href="http://davidharris.me.uk/">David Harris</a> and former <a title="IMPACT blog Freeth Cartwright" href="http://impact.freethcartwright.com/">IMPACT blogger</a> (now at <a title="Shoosmiths" href="http://www.shoosmiths.co.uk/">Shoosmiths</a>) Alex Newson will chair the event.</p>
<p>The event will be at <strong>Withers LLP, 16 Old Bailey, London, EC4M 7EG.</strong> Cost for LES Members is £20.00, non-members is £40.00. An optional dinner will follow (venue to be confirmed) for £35.00</p>
<p class="note">Posting information about IP events will be a regular feature here on Tangible IP.  I&#8217;m looking into how we will get it set up so that we can have a well integrated calendar with the site. Let me know if you have any suggestions.</p>
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